a diary of a mom

October 8, 2010

crossroads

*

Brooke’s developmental pediatrician is looking at me earnestly, waiting.

I appreciate the fact that she has just acknowledged that the decision ultimately belongs to me and Luau, but on some level I really wish she’d just look at me and say, “Ok, here’s how we’re going to proceed.”

But this doesn’t work that way. It can’t. This a collaboration. Or more accurately, an advisory panel. The experts come together, compare and contrast perspectives and offer up their individual expertise. And then they leave. And we are left to make the decision. Alone.

The doctor and I seem to agree that keeping Brooke’s dosage of her SSRI* where it is now is not the best path. After talking and listening and listening some more, I sum it up aloud. I need to hear my thoughts.

“So really, at this point we are no longer sure that she’s really receiving any benefit from the medication that she’s on. It’s been two years since we began this journey and in those two years, despite a dramatic change in her size, we’ve barely increased the dosage, so there’s a good likelihood that the drug levels simply aren’t sufficient to really provide the efficacy they should. It’s also impossible to gauge whether or not her anxiety level is being mitigated by the drug or by her burgeoning abilities to self-monitor, self-regulate, and self-advocate.”

The doctor nods.

“OK, so basically we have two options as I see it. Either we talk about increasing her dosage OR we take the counterintuitive approach and begin the process of weaning her off the meds completely because that appears to be the only way to determine whether or not they are providing any actual benefit.”

The doctor nods again. “I agree completely. What you are saying makes perfect sense. I do not recommend staying where we are now.”

I look at my girl, playing on the floor. She has not left a single toy in the office untouched. She has stripped off her rain boots and her socks and has thrown her sweater on the floor, declaring it ‘dead’ after it got sprinkled with water. She is wearing nothing but her leggings and undershirt. I’ve made it clear that nothing else can come off.

We talk for a while about the risks of change. I ask the doctor about her experience with weaning her young patients off of this family of SSRIs and then meds in general. She reiterates, as she always does, her strong belief in a long, slow weaning process. I am sufficiently convinced that the risks of taking her off the drug are minimal. Except of course, if it’s actually working.

But then I say it. The heart of the matter hangs out there between us.

“The truth is, I’m torn. I remain extremely concerned about the risks, both known and unknown, of long-term use of these – or any drugs. I am as profoundly uncomfortable using them now as I was when we started two years ago. This can’t be a long-term solution. But, if we’re being honest, while her anxiety level plummeted initially, there is no question that it has been slowly creeping back up for a long time. We can no longer avoid the dark, brooding elephant in the room. I mean, hell, Katie coughed at home the other night and we were right back to where we were two years ago. It was awful.”

The doctor types notes into her laptop as I speak.

“So I guess the bottom line is that with everything going on at school – the increased demands of second grade both academically and socially, the constant shuffle of support staff coupled with the seasonal change AND the fact that her anxiety was already ramping up throughout the summer, I just can’t fathom yanking the safety net out from under her right now. I truly can’t think of a worse time.”

The doctor looks at me over her laptop.

“I agree. But, I will caution you. There is no good time.”

Her words hang in the air. They are broadly applicable in my life right now.

She continues. “Once you get past September, you start heading right into the holidays. First there’s the chaos surrounding Halloween, then Thanksgiving, then December is basically a mess for everyone. January looks relatively attractive  but then you head into February break, then another in April, and well, forget Spring.”

I take a deep breath.

“I like January,” I say. “I think January makes the most sense. A six-week process would take us into February. Of all the not good times, I deem it the least not good.”

She smiles.

Brooke has donned the blood pressure cuff and is asking the doctor to make it hug her arm.

I know what my gut is telling me. I will go over it all with Luau a thousand ways til Sunday, but I know that ultimately I will tell him that I think we should increase her dosage now and then talk about the possibility of weaning her in January. But my brain won’t defer to my gut that easily. It’s never that easy.

I ask her, “What are the risks we haven’t talked about?”

She looks confused.

“You’ve said that Depakote patients monitor liver function. Abilify has metabolic concerns. What are WE looking out for? Are there new studies I haven’t seen? WHAT DON’T I KNOW?”

She tells me that the SSRIs do not come with similar warnings to the two drugs I’ve just mentioned. There’s nothing physical to look out for. I think back to the first time I looked into them. The phrase Suicidal Ideation haunted my dreams for weeks.

I finally say it.

“My cousin lives with bipolar disorder. As I understand it, she’s been on lithium for many years. She is now battling kidney disease. My question is, did her mother have this same conversation twenty-five years ago? Did she sit here wondering what future currency she might be using to buy her daughter’s current well-being? WHAT QUESTION AM I SUPPOSED TO BE ASKING?”

She gives me a long, professional, articulate answer that essentially tells me nothing. Lithium is very different. Rarely used now. Kidney function is closely monitored. I assure her that I was not implying an apples to apples comparison, but she already knew that. She finally acknowledges my real question by saying, “But I’m not sure that renal damage was a known risk twenty-five years ago.”

BINGO.

We talk for a while longer, toss around hypotheticals and what-ifs. We arrange for her to sit in with the team at Brooke’s upcoming neuro-psych evaluation to hear their assessment of her anxiety year over year. She examines Brooke while Brooke examines a stuffed muppet. They compare notes.

The doctor looks at me.

“She’s come so far,” she says.

We remember aloud when Brooke was morbidly afraid of doctors. The first time we saw Dr S, despite the fact that her office looks NOTHING like a typical doctor’s office and SHE looks nothing like a typical doctor, Brooke was still terrified. She was most afraid that she’d look in her ears. Nothing was worse than the ears.

Now, they have a routine. Brooke makes sure that she uses each and every piece of equipment she has. No stone is unturned.

The doctor says, “When I first saw her, she was no more than a fragile shell of a little girl. She didn’t move around her world at all. But look at her now.”

I pull my girl in toward me for as much of a hug as she’ll allow. The air’s suddenly been sucked out of the room.

It hurts like hell to remember where we were.

But as she said, she has come so far. We all have in fact. And while we’ve tried so hard to make sure that we are helping Brooke build a solid foundation out of bricks and mortar, it so often feels more like a house of cards. It’s so hard to know which ones we can pull as we move forward – which pieces we can slowly, gently, gingerly remove – without bringing the whole thing crashing down.

**

* SSRI stands for Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor. SSRIs are typically prescribed to treat depression, but are also often used to treat panic disorders and to help control pervasive anxiety.

** Please note: Pharmaceutical intervention is absolutely, positively not the right choice for everyone and should only be carefully considered in context. Medication should be administered and closely monitored by an appropriately licensed physician who is familiar with your child. Meds are by no means a substitute for emotional / behavioral support.


41 Comments »

  1. Ah, Jess, there are no adequate words for me to write here. There is no good time. This is an incredibly delicate balancing act. It is so hard to make decisions that lead to such complicated and even scary ‘unknowns’. It is hard to know what to trust, but usually, your gut instinct leads to the answers. I hope your brain and your get can figure this out between them. And, yes, how far you have all come! Thanks once again for letting your readers come along with you.

    Comment by Amy — October 8, 2010 @ 6:22 am |Reply

  2. God Jess….this is just so damn hard.

    Comment by Jasmin — October 8, 2010 @ 6:24 am |Reply

  3. Many, many prayers for your decision. I am exactly where you are right now with my son. The dr thinks the best is to increase, but like you, the decision is ultimately ours as his parents. With younger children, this decision is so hard and impossible to make with a clear heart and conscience. It is such a heartbreaking place to be with our babies, isn’t it?

    Comment by Lena — October 8, 2010 @ 6:25 am |Reply

  4. That’s a tough one hey :(
    I have weaned my son off Risperdal and unfortunately his anxiety has increased, however, my gut tells me not to remove the SSRI.
    I do worry about the long term damage.
    Good luck. Onwards and upwards! Di

    Comment by Di Maitland — October 8, 2010 @ 6:26 am |Reply

  5. It so hard to make a decision when there’s no clear correct answer. All you can do is try and if it doesn’t work try again which I know is cold comfort.

    xoxoxxo

    Comment by Boy Wonder's Mom — October 8, 2010 @ 6:43 am |Reply

  6. Have you ever taken her to a DAN doctor and looked into Biomed? It really can be very effective. Please don’t let some doctors convince you it is pseudo science. A good diet, certain supplements and other biomed interventions have really helped my child so much and he has never needed medication. Every child is different but just going the pharm.route is a one way street.

    Comment by Kris — October 8, 2010 @ 6:58 am |Reply

    • kris ~

      we have researched biomed, along with a host of other roads. based on myriad factors we came to the conclusion that it wasn’t the right route for brooke. but i know that many parents swear by biomedical interventions, so i’d never discount it for anyone else.

      and i agree completely that ‘just going the pharma route is a one way street.’ meds are just one of many tools that can allow a child to access other therapies. as i said in the post, ‘Meds are by no means a substitute for emotional / behavioral support.’

      Comment by jess — October 8, 2010 @ 2:40 pm |Reply

  7. Hear ya’ sister. Every decision seems so crushingly crucial, yet there’s no guidance….brutal.

    Comment by Shannon — October 8, 2010 @ 7:10 am |Reply

  8. Door Number One? Door Number Two? Which choice will do the least harm? The most good? How am I supposed to choose?
    All of our children are different. That said, we have found this time of year (That Insidious Time Change Followed By The Holidays) to be the worst. Two Decembers, Two hospitalizations. All hands are on deck doing everything we can to prevent a December Hat Trick. On the 20th I will find out whether or not the Risperdal dose will increase; I already know the answer. I hate this trial and error game we play. But at this time of year it’s all about getting through the next five minutes. I want him to Live. Ultimately it comes down to the decision made with my heart.
    You ALL are in my thoughts and prayers.

    Comment by Liz — October 8, 2010 @ 7:11 am |Reply

  9. Living with the house of cards … Such an appropriate analogy. I struggle with this every day. What’s working, what should I be willing to try. How does it make him feel? How I wish I knew..

    This is a brave post that so many will relate to on some many levels. Thank you so much for writing it.

    Comment by Autismville — October 8, 2010 @ 7:25 am |Reply

  10. Every decision we make for our kids involves a risk-benefit trade off. We slowly lowered one of my son’s meds last spring, and when it went too low we knew it. It was a terribly difficult time, but I was happy to find out that he really needs that drug, and that the risks we’re taking having him on it are outweighed by the benefits.

    Comment by Leslie — October 8, 2010 @ 7:36 am |Reply

  11. Unbelievable. Once again, I’m up to the same chapter in the book as you are. Same godawful decisions to make ( just different meds). Sigh… It HAS to become easier one day. Doesn’t it?
    Please remember through all of this to take care of YOU because you have to. Hugs to you dear lady. Once again you write what I cannot put into words. :o (

    Comment by CeeCee — October 8, 2010 @ 7:45 am |Reply

  12. hi jess, in the event you are interested in another perspective, here goes. i too have a beautiful (and small) daughter with autism and anxiety. i held off for years on meds until i recognized she was finally in a good program at school and that the behaviors were coming from anxiety (not a bad/aversive placement). i then risked it all (it seemed) and tried what the very well renowned child psychiatrist (autism center, rep for being conservative with meds) referred to as “microdose”. we inched it up to a regular dose. i thought there was improvement (which could also be resulting from better aba, maturation, compliance) and when he suggested weaning her off i was very concerned. we decided to wait until a different summer (he usually suggests summers for obvious reasons). after a particularly tough fall (4th grade age) i decided that the meds were def not helping, in fact after the last increase, behaviors seemed worse. so i was ok with trying the weaning process. we slowly weaned/titrated and there was NO DIFFERENCE. her behaviors improved (due to a better team/behavior plan) and i now question how much the behaviors were affected at all by the SSRI. and as her doc stated, these behaviors may be more attributable to autism than anxiety. there will always be some. i agree. in our case, anyway.

    based on YOUR specifics (the picking especially) i wonder if your dose is a micro dose. my own opinion based on my experience and education (mother, autism cert of grad, bcba) and the gray area of this ssri and autism stuff, i would make sure you have a real dose and not a micro dose. if you have a dose (i dont recall the rx but has it increased over the years-was it micro, ask these questions) and with these picking and other behaviors, then seems it is worth weaning her off. if you dont have a real dose maybe get increase, watch for improvement, try weaning in summer.

    just my (similar) experience based on your similar thought processes.

    <3 keep on! you're a rock star mom!!! she's an angel.

    Comment by s and t's mom — October 8, 2010 @ 8:00 am |Reply

    • i am always interested in other perspectives! thank you for sharing your story! (and your kind words are much appreciate too ;) )

      Comment by jess — October 8, 2010 @ 2:42 pm |Reply

  13. Sending love and grace.

    Comment by Carrie Link — October 8, 2010 @ 8:56 am |Reply

  14. Jess, any words I could write would be inadequate to express how much I get your struggle, the fears, the questions and self-doubts. Once again, in sharing your personal story, you speak for so many in similar places. Sending good, loving, soothing thoughts to you as you navigate this rocky terrain. xo

    Comment by Niksmom — October 8, 2010 @ 9:06 am |Reply

  15. Thanks for the post, Jess. Psychiatry is such a mess. We don’t know if drugs work, and even if we think they do we don’t know why and how they do it. I think what I would do in your situation, if you’re set on weaning, is start now. As you said, it’ll never be a good time.

    Comment by Yigal — October 8, 2010 @ 9:28 am |Reply

  16. I read this and instantly returned to our own crossroads a year ago, where we had to decided whether or not to put our six-year-old child on an anti-psychotic or not. I couldn’t believe we were there either, particularly as his behaviors had been so severely reduced, but they were still there, and he was still growing. My husband and I tortured ourselves for a while, and then finally, things became clear. It was either risk the potential side effects, both known and unknown, all horrifying, or risk his almost certain injury, or mine. We had to throw out our lists of pros and cons, and simplify. I still hope every day there will be a time he’s no longer on any medication, but I know in my gut we did the right thing for him now.

    It takes a lot of courage to write about your experiences with your own child and medications, particularly as the drugs remain such a controversial subject within and without our community. Thank you for sharing this, I am certain both the different perspectives as well as your thought processes will help a number of readers.

    Comment by autismmommytherapist — October 8, 2010 @ 9:33 am |Reply

  17. Don’t forget to breathe. Listen to your gut.

    Comment by mamakp — October 8, 2010 @ 9:37 am |Reply

  18. *sigh* so many of our (autism families) lives run parallel. I am sending you a gigantic hug. The decision is just so damn hard.

    Comment by Shivon — October 8, 2010 @ 11:08 am |Reply

  19. Jess- Such a beautifully written blog! I would love to email you but can’t find a link. Just curious, I’m sure you get lots of “advice”; but have you considered homeopathy? Specifically sequential homeopathy? It can do WONDERS for anxiety and it’s completely natural and safe. Our lives changed in unimaginable ways after we began homeopathy with my son Drew. If for nothing else, it might be worth reading about. Your girls are so beautiful; and not a post of yours gets past my eyes without mucho tears! Feel free to check out my blog for more info. I look forward to reading yours everyday! :)

    Comment by Joanna — October 8, 2010 @ 11:48 am |Reply

  20. I totally get where your head is at. If it makes you feel any better, though, SSRIs, Prozac specifically, has been on the market for about 25 years, so as far as a safety profile goes, you’re in one of the better places to be. Nothing is EVER certain, that’s fer sher, but you’ve got some good math on your side.

    Comment by Mo — October 8, 2010 @ 12:15 pm |Reply

    • mo ~ that’s true, and to a VERY small degree it does, BUT these drugs had heretofore not been tested in young children, particularly those under the indicated age who were therefore taking them off label. at the age of five for instance, there are all kinds of brain elasticity questions that were (and largely still are) unanswerable. so it helps, but only a little :)

      Comment by jess — October 8, 2010 @ 2:45 pm |Reply

      • Very true. There was an excellent article on this in the New Yorker a few years ago. I’ll see if I can dig it up for you. And then, of course there’s the SOFIA study. The plus side is that in order to get approval for a major clinical trial like that, a LOT of top people had to look at it and think it was safe enough. Then, of course, the downside is that it showed no clinical significance, thus leaving all our heads to continue to spin!

        Comment by Mo — October 9, 2010 @ 8:38 am

      • Here:
        http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/01/10/050110fa_fact

        worth a read

        Comment by Mo — October 9, 2010 @ 8:42 am

  21. comments from Facebook:

    ATB ~ I’m beginning to wonder about an SSRI for my son. He’s had a lot of tantrums lately, not “toddler tantrums” but “I don’t know what the heck is going on” tantrums. He flies off the handle really easily lately, which could be due to some changes at his special ed preschool.

    I cried when you said you were looking back at how far you’ve came. I LONG for this. We haven’t came ANYWHERE since he was 18 months (3 now). Its so frustrating for both of us. My stepmother said the other day, “do you really think he’s going to get better?”. She didn’t know how much a question like that can damage. I pray every day we are where you’re at when he’s 6 or 7. He can be different and quirky all he wants, I JUST want to be able to communicate with him! Thank you for this blog…I finally feel like someone kind of “gets” me.

    SLK ~ Very timely piece my friend. As I sit here at about 7 different crossroads. Where is my damn map.

    WD Thanks, Jess. We’re starting my son on a trial of Ritalin this weekend. I have all the same thoughts and worries myself.

    Red~ I learn so much for you. thank you, friend. XO

    DCG ~ I feel for you. We are left to make the decisions. And handle the fall out if it is the wrong one, but as long as you are there to help Brooke handle it, you’re doing a great job. Good luck!

    LM ~ @A, I want to tell you that we didnt see alot of gains during those years either. All we saw were the standard deviations getting higher in the negatives. My DS didnt “talk” (just single or two word utterances) till he was over 4 years old. Dont lose heart and dont lose hope. My guy is 9 now and when I watch videos of when he was 3, its amazing the differences! {hugs}

    REPLY:

    Diary of a Mom Oh, Ashley. It’s so hard when we watch our kids spinning their wheels and it seems that they’re not getting anywhere. So many of us have been right where you are – and yes, even the most innocent and loving questions all but destroy us.

    Stay with it. You’ll find the key. And in the meantime, we’re all here. You are NOT alone!

    LM ~ Here is something we use (both myself and my DS) for our anxiety. Any questions, feel free to ask.

    http://www.suntheanine.com/WhatIsSuntheanine.cfm

    REPLY:

    Diary of a Mom Thank you for sharing!

    Comment by jess — October 8, 2010 @ 2:50 pm |Reply

  22. All ~

    I am grateful to all who shared their own stories here, particularly those who have had different experiences than ours and/ or approach this issue from a different perspective. There are so many paths that we can follow that it can be completely overwhelming. I think it’s it’s so important to share with one another what we have found that works for our kids.

    In the end, these are individual decisions that we all base on the zillions of factors that make up our kids challenges and their circumstances. And in the end, we all stand alone and do what we think is best for our kids.

    But I’m so glad to have such a large and varied ‘advisory panel’. :)

    Jess

    Comment by jess — October 8, 2010 @ 2:54 pm |Reply

  23. Ditto to Autismville – I salute your bravery. You are a shining example of the openess and honesty about autism. We will all be the better for sharing our struggles.

    Comment by Cathy M — October 8, 2010 @ 3:27 pm |Reply

  24. *YOU* ultimately know your child and your family situation best. I used to hate it when therapists etc. would jump right in with “fixes” without listening to me first. You’re providing an excellent model of how to think through these things.

    Comment by profmother — October 8, 2010 @ 3:45 pm |Reply

  25. Valid questions indeed.

    Comment by Kate — October 8, 2010 @ 4:05 pm |Reply

  26. As the mom of a little man profoundly affected by autism AND a internal med doctor I have been on both sides of this issue. In the end I am lucky that we have a developmental pediatrician who is willing to go along with my med “trial” proposals and help me sift through the studies. There is so little data out there on meds that are effective for ASD kids–you really have to focus on the symptoms you are trying to manage and then try drugs that allegedly help those symptoms. Right now we are using abilify (wow–they actually studied this in kids with autism to reduce irritability) and topamax (picked that one b/c it is effective to decrease appetite in adults and my man is a major food perseverator). We had a magical month recently on that combo–and then it all went south. The decision to increase or decrease (we elected to increase) is a tough one but increasing is generally easier–you already know how the med affects your child. Keeping some data whenever a new med is started has proven pretty helpful for us as well (weight/sleep/moods/appetite)–especially when you find yourself back to square one and you can’t remember yesterday from 2 yrs ago… Oh–and I agree with the statement above that SSRIs are generally the most benign of all psych drugs and some adults (yes, different from kids) have been doing great on them for >20 yrs. Good luck with your decision!!

    Comment by zmom — October 8, 2010 @ 6:18 pm |Reply

  27. What a difficult thing to have to face–for any parent. And I’m so sorry you are struggling with this now. Love and hugs, my dear. Love and hugs.

    Comment by kristen — October 8, 2010 @ 7:20 pm |Reply

  28. When walking the tight rope, always go with your gut. My humble opinion. Mother’s intuition is the strongest tool in your basket.

    Comment by michelle oneil — October 9, 2010 @ 12:31 pm |Reply

  29. God, do I hate the drugs. It’s all so difficult, and my heart goes out to you in empathy. Know that whatever decision you make is the right one in that time. I find that shutting out all other voices, at some point, and listening to my own, brings me the right answers.

    You are one good mama.

    Comment by Elizabeth — October 10, 2010 @ 12:15 am |Reply

  30. Oh, Jess, I was faced with this same decision earlier this year, and it is always a most difficult one. I definitely agree with all of those who said to go with your gut – it’s what we must do. Love.

    Comment by Tanya @ TeenAutism — October 10, 2010 @ 8:04 pm |Reply

  31. Hey, about two years was when my first SSRI stopped working. I am now on another and constantly looking for the right time to ween myself off it. For me, like your dr. said, there is never a good time.

    Comment by matt — October 10, 2010 @ 9:24 pm |Reply

  32. I’d get a second opinion because lithium is most definitely used all the time still today and kidney function is not monitored regularly… at least none of the other bipolar’s I know (myself included) are monitored (thanks for the heads up). So, sounds like she might not know what she’s talking about… Isn’t this a psychiatrist’s realm anyway??

    Thanks for posting this. My daughter is 5 and anxiety is slowly increasing and looking to find ways to avoid meds but they are not off the table completely if things get bad in the future.

    Comment by Jen — October 11, 2010 @ 8:54 am |Reply

    • jen, a psychiatrist is not always the most appropriate route. if you click on the term ‘developmental pediatrician’ in the post, it will take you to a page describing their job and their specific training in developmental disorders. for us, it made a lot more sense to pursue and monitor the meds through a dev ped than a psychiatrist, but – like everything else – that decision is very individual and based on the specific needs / challenges of your child.

      Comment by jess — October 11, 2010 @ 11:44 am |Reply

  33. Hi, Jess. I came over to find you here from Hopeful Parents (where I’m a “10th of the month” poster.) I have been really enjoying reading you, and am especially interested in all the sibling information, as I have a difficult sib relationship going under my roof (twin boys- one on the spectrum, the other seething with resentment.)

    I wanted to comment on this particular post to give you one other piece of information. We, too have chosen to use psychiatric medication with our son. And let me preface this w/ stating that anyone who has not had to make this decision has no idea how agonizing it is, and how much we constantly worry and re-examine and live in fear that what is saving our child mentally/emotionally is simultaneously causing long term harm physically.

    My son currently takes a tiny micro dose of Risperdal and also the lowest “regular” dose of extended time release Depakote. I noticed you mention Depakote in your post, and that your child is a daughter. When we were discussing putting my son on it, his doctor said something o the effect of “thank goodness he’s a boy because I think he would really benefit from Depakote, and you can’t put a girl on it.” When I asked why not, he told me it almost always causes polycystic ovarian syndrome in girls and messes up their endocrine system big time. He also mentioned he was surprised how many doctors were unaware of this and put girls on it anyway. I just thought that if you were considering that, this was information you might want to ask about and research for yourself.

    I look forward to spending more time on your blog and getting to know you and your family better.

    Good luck with all this. Sigh.

    Comment by Varda (SquashedMom) — October 19, 2010 @ 12:30 am |Reply

    • welcome, and thank you for that information. the references to the other drugs were just illustrative. we don’t use them, nor have they ever come up for consideration for us as they’re just not appropriate for brooke on any level. but i really appreciate you sharing what you’ve learned. hopefully it helps someone else out there!

      Comment by jess — October 19, 2010 @ 5:59 am |Reply

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